Turning Off Lane Assist

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Cyclobob wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:39 pm If I am driving with Lane Assist off (which is a default menu choice that I make whenever I start the car) what difference would it make if I had an accident and lane assist was off because it had been set to remember last setting? In one instance it is me that turns it off (every trip except when I want it on for motorways like the user manual suggests) and the other instance, the car remembers I want it turned off for every trip (except when I turn it on for motorways)??

There is an overwhelming amount of evidence that defaults matter, which is why the default to "on" is part of EuroNCAP.

Until EuroNCAP ignore that evidence, or vehicle manufacturers ignore EuroNCAP points, you'll be making that elective choice.

I think Satan will be ice-skating to work long before that :-)
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Do you have any hard evidence for the statement?

"There is an overwhelming amount of evidence that defaults matter."

It could just as easily be an issue where as I came around a blind bend the car pulled me into a cyclist because I had to pull out into a white line to pass them.
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Cyclobob wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:42 pm I had to pull out into a white line to pass them.

I’m usually well over the white line to overtake cyclists, seeing as they should be given 1.5m clearance.

A flick of the indicator stalk will allow you to go as far over a line as you wish without the assist system doing anything.
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scott28tt wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:10 pm
Cyclobob wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:42 pm I had to pull out into a white line to pass them.

I’m usually well over the white line to overtake cyclists, seeing as they should be given 1.5m clearance.

A flick of the indicator stalk will allow you to go as far over a line as you wish without the assist system doing anything.
Good point. It may well force some people to actually use their indicators. Where I live it’s as if indicators are optional extras.
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Cyclobob wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:42 pm Do you have any hard evidence for the statement?

"There is an overwhelming amount of evidence that defaults matter."

It could just as easily be an issue where as I came around a blind bend the car pulled me into a cyclist because I had to pull out into a white line to pass them.

Yes I do, but do feel free to come to your own evidenced conclusions independently.

Your example is where I would place you firmly at fault and provides interesting confirmatory evidence for why defaults matter. Had you indicated to cross the white line - as you should - then the LKA would not pull you into the cyclist as indicating deactivates it. The default is trying to stop you crossing the white lines without indicating.
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The way I read it, the VW manual says "Use the lane keeping system only on motorways and well-developed country roads." So the expectation is that you will be switching it off in certain situations and therefore it makes no difference what the default setting is. The legal situation has also been discussed on another ID3 forum and the conclusion there was that setting the default setting to remember last setting would not affect the legal aspects.
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Have to agree as a safety feature it does more harm than good. The amount of times it has violently grabbed the wheel and nearly caused an accident is ridiculous.
Found it particularly problematic when there had been heavy rain, so when trying to avoid large amounts of water on the passenger side. Having the indicators on permanently is a less than ideal solution.
Can’t help but feel the software on the ID3 has been rushed to market and that we are the beta testers.
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Is there a YouTube video showing how lane assist can take control? Is it really as bad as you are all saying? Also is it standard on all ID3 models? Ordered the Life pro so hoping this is not on as sounds like a right pain to deactivate it every time.

On my wife Jaguar E-Pace, the steering wheel just vibrates if the car detects you are not in the correct lane position.
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I am still waiting for my id3 which hopefully will be delivered towards the end of this year. However, when I test drove the car, a large proportion of the mileage was on narrow rural roads with very poor road markings, at relatively high speeds, and I hadn’t even considered the Lane Assist feature when I set off.

All I felt was a relatively mild ‘nudge’ occasionally, it slightly took me by surprise the first time, but I thought it was very mild and not a problem at all. I had the car all day, and I didn’t feel the need to investigate any way to disable the feature.

I tend to hold the steering wheel relatively firmly - not a tight grip, but because many of the roads in the rural area where I live are patched, ridged, rutted an pot-holed, with alternating camber and an undulating surface, a firm grip is required and is normal for me.

I know some drivers have a very light touch on the steering wheel, so perhaps it’s more of a problem for such drivers?
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Uphamid3 wrote: Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:44 pm I am still waiting for my id3 which hopefully will be delivered towards the end of this year. However, when I test drove the car, a large proportion of the mileage was on narrow rural roads with very poor road markings, at relatively high speeds, and I hadn’t even considered the Lane Assist feature when I set off.

All I felt was a relatively mild ‘nudge’ occasionally, it slightly took me by surprise the first time, but I thought it was very mild and not a problem at all. I had the car all day, and I didn’t feel the need to investigate any way to disable the feature.

I tend to hold the steering wheel relatively firmly - not a tight grip, but because many of the roads in the rural area where I live are patched, ridged, rutted an pot-holed, with alternating camber and an undulating surface, a firm grip is required and is normal for me.

I know some drivers have a very light touch on the steering wheel, so perhaps it’s more of a problem for such drivers?

Some drivers disproportionately dislike the machine passing judgement on their driving decisions, particularly with regard to steering wheel control and indicator use. Thus, different drivers react differently to the ELK technology in the ID.3.

There's EuroNCAP test video footage covering the whole test, including ELK and the AEB features, activating on an ID.3. The ID.4 one ploughed on through a cyclist, so got marked down...

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Utumno wrote: Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:49 pm
Some drivers disproportionately dislike the machine passing judgement on their driving decisions, particularly with regard to steering wheel control and indicator use. Thus, different drivers react differently to the ELK technology in the ID.3.
Ha ha and this sums it up for me.. I follow some drivers weaving from verge to centre line constantly and think 'Oh dear, you'll not like lane assist if you ever drive with it'.
As for some of the scenarios described I question whether the car is travelling at an appropriate speed for what sound like built up areas.. the problem is, I think, that the system comes on over about 36mph but doesn't switch off until you dip below 30mph. So is you've driven from a 40mph or more road into a 30mph and not dropped to 29mph even breifly.. it stays on.
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