Another ID.3 Newbie, ex Peugeot e-208

[wisey78uk]

...and I will never go back to Peugeot!

The cosmetic side of the car was brilliant. The facade inside was spot on. The comfort of the sitting position was perfect. In the summer the range was good enough! But when Big Bird started to have issues it felt like Peugeot were not there to support. Having to wait to mid March to get her looked at, and then May for the part to appear... I am glad Hevra found a garage nearby and the guy fixed the ABS wiring himself.

That along with other niggles, I had to upgrade. So I bought an ID.3 yesterday.

Everything has been great, some things a country mile better, the sound system not as good but not the worst (my partner's 2004 Toyota Corolla is my base line for being better...).

The GoM has been ~spot on with 347 miles at 100% and after driving 40 miles around town yesterday it still says 299 miles.

I am not a fan of too much heating in a car, tell me I have short arms and deep pockets and I won't argue! After being at the cinema last night, the air con was on when I get back to the car, nice and toasty, and still 302 miles finishing the day at 87% and 299 miles on the GoM.

Good job ID.3!

I know that will turn out to be 280-300 to the full charge in the real world, especially once we hit Whitby and back this weekend it might be closer to 250. But that is head and shoulders about the 150 miles I was getting on the e-208 in town, 100 when on the motorway.

Now to name my ID.3

[sidehaas]

Welcome! I assume you have a Pro S - is it new or an older one? They are great cars, although I will say the VW dealer network can also be a bit hit and miss.

[Rabaoriley]

Welcome ! Glad to hear your happy with the I.D 3 , Looking forward to hearing more information

What Age of Id3 have you gone for ?

[TimF]

Interesting post - thanks. The Peugeot was one of the cars we considered - and took for a test drive - before buying the ID3. It was OK, but there were too many details which we disliked, including uncomfortable seats (both for me at 6 foot and my much shorter wife) and poor visibility. I was surprised how much was identical to the Zoe we test-drove, including gear selector and seats. Different people want different things - at least there is now a very wide choice for anyone wanting an EV.

[vanb]

Welcome. It will be interesting to read how your trip to Whitby goes if you decide to share with us. Enjoy your ID3.

[wisey78uk]

I have a 2024 ID3 Pro S Match 77kwh. She was £16k cheaper than list price but on 3200 miles on the clock! Winner!!

The trip to Whitby was an absolute success of a drive (discounting google map's route home...). The drive out I had 4.76miles/kWh and 4.09miles/kwh on the way home. The GoM really should be called the Correct O Meter

ABRP got it absolutely wrong. Even select a Pro S 77kwh option for the ID3, it thought I would only get to Whitby with 63% left. I had 82% left from a 95% charge, and home with 67% left on the clock.

Cannot complain at that.

[wisey78uk]

Decided to jump in the car and test a short motorway trip. I know you all know this, being this is an ID3 Forum But wow, is this car efficient.

I sat at 70-75 most of the way from York to Scotch Corner and back, 116 miles driving.

On the way up I didn't use cruise control or any heating... cold Scotsman, living in deep pocketed Yorkshire and I have short arms... The temp was supposedly 6c (Tronity) and I received 3.65m/kwh (Tronity).
On the way back down, I had heated seats, steering wheel, set the temp to 18c and had the ACC most of the way. I did turn the heating off after 20 mins though. The temp was 9c (Tronity) and I received 3.5m/kwh.

That's ruddy good?

In summer, surely that will easily top 4-4.5m/kwh with better weather?

[Fry]

Welcome to the forum. Glad you’re enjoying it!

I think in the summer I was able to get well over 4m/kwh, maybe around 4.5 or a bit higher at times. From what I worked out it would need to be near 5 to get the claimed range.

[vanb]

Thanks for the updates. Glad you are enjoying the ID3 and not missing the e208.

[wisey78uk]

Thanks for the updates. Glad you are enjoying the ID3 and not missing the e208.

100% not missing it. Just drove from York to Glasgow. Stopped at Carlisle to walk the dog and have a coffee. Car was ready to go before me. And compared to ABRP I had 16% more battery - I did use the ACC most of the way too.

Still to test using the inbuilt route planner, see if I can get preconditioning going on because at the Ionity charger I was only getting 66kw rate. Still I had more than enough to go without needing to charge...but ABCing it is important.

[vanb]

Thanks for the updates. Glad you are enjoying the ID3 and not missing the e208.

100% not missing it. Just drove from York to Glasgow. Stopped at Carlisle to walk the dog and have a coffee. Car was ready to go before me. And compared to ABRP I had 16% more battery - I did use the ACC most of the way too.

Still to test using the inbuilt route planner, see if I can get preconditioning going on because at the Ionity charger I was only getting 66kw rate. Still I had more than enough to go without needing to charge...but ABCing it is important.

[wisey78uk]

After two short trips today, Trinity showed a 7.26 m/kWh today, which was nice.

[StewartManley]

After two short trips today, Trinity showed a 7.26 m/kWh today, which was nice.

Don't rely on the accuracy of Tronity. It does a very simplistic calculation.

[Scratch]

After two short trips today, Trinity showed a 7.26 m/kWh today, which was nice.

Don't rely on the accuracy of Tronity. It does a very simplistic calculation.

7.26 M/kWh? Holy moley. I thought the holy grail of efficiency was trying to get to 5 M/kWh? And I’m guessing that wouldn’t be in a VW.

[sidehaas]

After two short trips today, Trinity showed a 7.26 m/kWh today, which was nice.

Don't rely on the accuracy of Tronity. It does a very simplistic calculation.

7.26 M/kWh? Holy moley. I thought the holy grail of efficiency was trying to get to 5 M/kWh? And I’m guessing that wouldn’t be in a VW.

I have managed over 5 on a few low/middling speed journeys now. I agree that Tronity is inaccurate though, especially for shorter trips, and no one is ever getting 7+ out of an ID3 on the flat.

[wisey78uk]

Don't rely on the accuracy of Tronity. It does a very simplistic calculation.

7.26 M/kWh? Holy moley. I thought the holy grail of efficiency was trying to get to 5 M/kWh? And I’m guessing that wouldn’t be in a VW.

I have managed over 5 on a few low/middling speed journeys now. I agree that Tronity is inaccurate though, especially for shorter trips, and no one is ever getting 7+ out of an ID3 on the flat.

It's true that it's very simplistic. But ~6 miles driven and the battery level went down 0.77kwh, and yes it won't account for regen... It's still impressive.

[sidehaas]

7.26 M/kWh? Holy moley. I thought the holy grail of efficiency was trying to get to 5 M/kWh? And I’m guessing that wouldn’t be in a VW.

I have managed over 5 on a few low/middling speed journeys now. I agree that Tronity is inaccurate though, especially for shorter trips, and no one is ever getting 7+ out of an ID3 on the flat.

It's true that it's very simplistic. But ~6 miles driven and the battery level went down 0.77kwh, and yes it won't account for regen... It's still impressive.

It does account for regen.
The car's indicated consumption is usually pretty accurate, it doesn't account for any pre heating you have done and it only starts measuring once you start the car, so if you sit there with the heating running before pressing the brake, it doesn't measure that. But it accounts for everything else.
However the consumption data isn't shared with 3rd party apps via the api, so Tronity cannot access it. All Tronity does is take the SoC % figure and odometer figure at the start and end of each journey. It assumes that 100% is equal to the advertised usable capacity (eg 58 or 77 kwh) and then it does a very simple calculation to estimate consumption based on % change and miles driven for thay journey. It has huge rounding errors for short journeys in addition to a general over-pessimism because the cars never have quite the advertised capacity between 0 and 100%, and if they are 2-3 years old they usually have 5-10% less.

[Scratch]

I have managed over 5 on a few low/middling speed journeys now. I agree that Tronity is inaccurate though, especially for shorter trips, and no one is ever getting 7+ out of an ID3 on the flat.

It's true that it's very simplistic. But ~6 miles driven and the battery level went down 0.77kwh, and yes it won't account for regen... It's still impressive.

It does account for regen.
The car's indicated consumption is usually pretty accurate, it doesn't account for any pre heating you have done and it only starts measuring once you start the car, so if you sit there with the heating running before pressing the brake, it doesn't measure that. But it accounts for everything else.
However the consumption data isn't shared with 3rd party apps via the api, so Tronity cannot access it. All Tronity does is take the SoC % figure and odometer figure at the start and end of each journey. It assumes that 100% is equal to the advertised usable capacity (eg 58 or 77 kwh) and then it does a very simple calculation to estimate consumption based on % change and miles driven for thay journey. It has huge rounding errors for short journeys in addition to a general over-pessimism because the cars never have quite the advertised capacity between 0 and 100%, and if they are 2-3 years old they usually have 5-10% less.

If you want the true efficiency based on the electricity you pay for when you charge the car, the m/kWh can be very different. Mine is. There are losses. Even so, I am still getting what would be 240 mpg when compared to the last ICE car I used to have, for which the average mpg was 39. I'm still happy. This is based on mostly charging at home. Not very many instances of DC charging at all.

[Fry]

Haha I thought Trinity was what you named your car!

[sidehaas]

It's true that it's very simplistic. But ~6 miles driven and the battery level went down 0.77kwh, and yes it won't account for regen... It's still impressive.

It does account for regen.
The car's indicated consumption is usually pretty accurate, it doesn't account for any pre heating you have done and it only starts measuring once you start the car, so if you sit there with the heating running before pressing the brake, it doesn't measure that. But it accounts for everything else.
However the consumption data isn't shared with 3rd party apps via the api, so Tronity cannot access it. All Tronity does is take the SoC % figure and odometer figure at the start and end of each journey. It assumes that 100% is equal to the advertised usable capacity (eg 58 or 77 kwh) and then it does a very simple calculation to estimate consumption based on % change and miles driven for thay journey. It has huge rounding errors for short journeys in addition to a general over-pessimism because the cars never have quite the advertised capacity between 0 and 100%, and if they are 2-3 years old they usually have 5-10% less.

If you want the true efficiency based on the electricity you pay for when you charge the car, the m/kWh can be very different. Mine is. There are losses. Even so, I am still getting what would be 240 mpg when compared to the last ICE car I used to have, for which the average mpg was 39. I'm still happy. This is based on mostly charging at home. Not very many instances of DC charging at all.

Yes agree. For me, true consumption is what the car is using for a particular journey. There are more losses when charging if you are wanting to count costs. At home, by comparing what our Ohme claimed to have delivered and the car claimed to have received I have measured approximately 15-20% losses when charging at 8A (ie with reduced AC charging power turned on) and 8-10% when charging at 32A. This was consistent with a test I saw Battery Life do years ago. From tests I've seen losses on DC rapids are usually more like 5% or slightly less.