Volkswagen ID.3 Forum

Posted: **Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:43 pm**

EV’s from nearly every brand are in short supply. A quick look on Autotrader nationally shows everything in short supply (5 id3’s on there) except MG’s Peugeots Vauxhalls and the older models (niro and kona’s).

Posted: **Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:22 pm**

Cherry wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:36 pm Are people really willing to order now with an effective £1750 price increase due to the withdrawal of the finance deposit contribution? Perhaps, it will return soon.

Clearly they are. Dealers will just discount as necessary, in the absence of VWFS contribution.

Posted: **Sat Nov 20, 2021 7:00 pm**

Utumno wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:22 pm
Cherry wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:36 pm Are people really willing to order now with an effective £1750 price increase due to the withdrawal of the finance deposit contribution? Perhaps, it will return soon.

Clearly they are. Dealers will just discount as necessary, in the absence of VWFS contribution.

There's only so much margin to give in discount. I doubt very much that a dealer would swallow that £1750 deposit contribution in addition to discount they may have already been offering. It was free money from a different source. It will be an effective £1750. price increase, although VWFS might mitigate that a little by offering a lower APR%.

They might've just done that- finance calculator states 4.9%, wasn't it about 6.2% previously?

VWFS have decided that demand has massively exceeded supply and they don't need to incentivise buyers. Correspondingly many dealers are almost certainly limiting the discounts they offer as there are plenty of people willing to pay RRP or close to it at the moments while supply is curtailed.

Posted: **Sat Nov 20, 2021 7:25 pm**

monkeyhanger wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 7:00 pm
They might've just done that- finance calculator states 4.9%, wasn't it about 6.2% previously?

It was 4.7% when I ordered.

So, the interest rate is now higher and price effectively £1750 higher.
DTD have not increased their discount, hence you can assume the car is now £1750 more expensive.
DTD even reduced their discount slightly after I ordered (I did not use DTD),

Anyone who thinks a dealer will make up the £1750 finance deposit is probably getting a lousy discount.
One should except c.8% dealer discount + £2500 off if EV grant can be claimed (plus in the old days £1750 finance deposit).
On a Family Pro you should be getting over £2300 dealer discount alone so £6550 off list with £1750 contribution or £4800 off list now if EV grant is included, if not more.

Too many people see to be buying at high CarWow prices. This keeps the dealer happy!

It would be interesting if the "spreadsheet" stated dealer name and price agreed, not that everyone would want to disclose this!

Posted: **Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:40 pm**

I’m getting £2726 discount off my Family Pro Performance, plus the £2500 OZEV grant. I’m also financing at 2.9% (only half on finance, rest on cash/trade-in). The loss of the £1750 miffed me as it was pulled the day we had decided to place the order

but having already had to cancel my 1st Ed a year ago when I was made redundant I was determined to buy it now and didn’t want to wait again on the off chance it would be reinstated at some indeterminate point in the future. Only that basis I accepted the 30wk estimated delivery to get the spec I wanted, though given that timeframe & the strong used values I am seriously pondering buying a 20k-miler 1st Ed now for the interim & sell/trade when my new one is finally delivered!

Posted: **Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:46 pm**

Do those who ordered with the discount and pre price increase still get it and the original price ??

Posted: **Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:49 pm**

Malcster wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:46 pm Do those who ordered with the discount and pre price increase still get it and the original price ??

Yes - the deal is whatever you signed for.

Posted: **Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:55 pm**

Cherry wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 7:25 pm
monkeyhanger wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 7:00 pm
They might've just done that- finance calculator states 4.9%, wasn't it about 6.2% previously?

It was 4.7% when I ordered.

So, the interest rate is now higher and price effectively £1750 higher.
DTD have not increased their discount, hence you can assume the car is now £1750 more expensive.
DTD even reduced their discount slightly after I ordered (I did not use DTD),

Anyone who thinks a dealer will make up the £1750 finance deposit is probably getting a lousy discount.
One should except c.8% dealer discount + £2500 off if EV grant can be claimed (plus in the old days £1750 finance deposit).
On a Family Pro you should be getting over £2300 dealer discount alone so £6550 off list with £1750 contribution or £4800 off list now if EV grant is included, if not more.

Too many people see to be buying at high CarWow prices. This keeps the dealer happy!

It would be interesting if the "spreadsheet" stated dealer name and price agreed, not that everyone would want to disclose this!

Yes I wasn’t meaning to suggest that the £1750 would be achieved just that dealers would discount as necessary. There’s clearly no need for VW to discount to sell ID.3’s, so discount will decide dealer or broker selection. Market forces, y’all.

Posted: **Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:25 pm**

Utumno wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:55 pm Yes I wasn’t meaning to suggest that the £1750 would be achieved just that dealers would discount as necessary. There’s clearly no need for VW to discount to sell ID.3’s, so discount will decide dealer or broker selection. Market forces, y’all.

I have not seen any additional dealer discounts to compensate for a single pound of the £1750 loss.
All I have seen is even less discount from dealers, meaning even higher effective prices.

Good for those who purchased at low prices and want to sell!

Posted: **Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:49 pm**

Cherry wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:25 pm
Utumno wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:55 pm Yes I wasn’t meaning to suggest that the £1750 would be achieved just that dealers would discount as necessary. There’s clearly no need for VW to discount to sell ID.3’s, so discount will decide dealer or broker selection. Market forces, y’all.

I have not seen any additional dealer discounts to compensate for a single pound of the £1750 loss.
All I have seen is even less discount from dealers, meaning even higher effective prices.

Good for those who purchased at low prices and want to sell!

Yes, that’s kind of my point. Dealers will discount as necessary. It’s not necessary. So they’re not discounting.

Posted: **Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:21 pm**

sausageroll wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:49 pm
Malcster wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:46 pm Do those who ordered with the discount and pre price increase still get it and the original price ??
Yes - the deal is whatever you signed for.

Thank you
Thought it was but wanted sanity check

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:01 am**

I ordered my car in early July, and was told at the time that it should be delivered in mid - to late October.
I’ve just ( November 22nd) been told that it has now been built and should be with me in 4-6 weeks

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:32 am**

Stevej999 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:01 am I ordered my car in early July, and was told at the time that it should be delivered in mid - to late October.
I’ve just ( November 22nd) been told that it has now been built and should be with me in 4-6 weeks

Great news! With some luck it'll be a nice Christmas present for you!

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:18 pm**

Stevej999 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:01 am I ordered my car in early July, and was told at the time that it should be delivered in mid - to late October.
I’ve just ( November 22nd) been told that it has now been built and should be with me in 4-6 weeks

That was a July 5th order, based on your previous?

I'm a couple of weeks later, but it'd be nice if I was in that position soon

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:15 pm**

Interesting....delivery times seem very unpredictable. The spreadsheet might shed light on the process at some point?

My order of July 2nd was built in schedule (wk38), but told today it's still awaiting semiconductors and no sign of when it will be finished...

Really pleased the waiting game is nearly over for you though - there's hope for us all yet!

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:31 pm**

Well, I wonder why VW have confirmed build dates when they are subject to change. Mine has been pushed back to week 49.
If it gets pushed a few weeks further back may be I will receive a MY22.5 model.
A March 1st collection seems more unlikely now.

I wonder what the last build week for 2021 is.

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:44 pm**

Stevej999 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:01 am I ordered my car in early July, and was told at the time that it should be delivered in mid - to late October.
I’ve just ( November 22nd) been told that it has now been built and should be with me in 4-6 weeks

Good stuff. I got my order number on the 21/07/21 no confirmed build yet!

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:12 pm**

Do those who ordered with the discount and pre price increase still get it and the original price ??

Check your contract with the supplying dealer, most have a caveat that they will pass on manufacturers price increases as well as any vat or tax changes

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:18 pm**

IDontknow wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:15 pm Interesting....delivery times seem very unpredictable. The spreadsheet might shed light on the process at some point?

My order of July 2nd was built in schedule (wk38), but told today it's still awaiting semiconductors and no sign of when it will be finished...

Really pleased the waiting game is nearly over for you though - there's hope for us all yet!

I think all the spreadsheet can currently do is illustrate the absolute chaos in Zwickau at the moment. Which I feel it does reasonably succinctly

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:41 pm**

Had a call from the dealer just now to say the order status is still on 20. He's going to call the factory tomorrow to get an update but apparently some of his customers have been stuck in build for 11 weeks

wonderful haha

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