Keyless entry id3 security

[rawws]

With the increase of vehicle theft recently especially cars with keyless entry.

Is the vw id3 more secure in this area or is it vulnerable to relay theft gadget things like other cars

[slef2003]

I understand that the keys are meant to stop transmitting if they are still which should reduce relay theft. But organised car thrives are resoursefuul bods!

[rawws]

I understand that the keys are meant to stop transmitting if they are still which should reduce relay theft. But organised car thrives are resoursefuul bods!

Ok thanks is that mentioned anywhere that the keys a stop transmitting.? Or is it an assumption

[Deleted User 192]

The ID.3 has this: https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/ ... h-uwb-5438

Also, the keys do sleep if they’re not moved.

So to answer your question, yes the ID.3 is more secure regarding keyless entry.

[Newfie]

Also you can disable the keyless entry when you lock the car.
When you lock the car with the key fob quickly touch the outer sensor on the door handle and you'll here the car lock again.
The only way you can unlock the car is to physically push the unlock button on the key fob.

[rawws]

Also you can disable the keyless entry when you lock the car.
When you lock the car with the key fob quickly touch the outer sensor on the door handle and you'll here the car lock again.
The only way you can unlock the car is to physically push the unlock button on the key fob.

Ok thanks thats a good solution will check

[rawws]

The ID.3 has this: https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/ ... h-uwb-5438

Also, the keys do sleep if they’re not moved.

So to answer your question, yes the ID.3 is more secure regarding keyless entry.

Thanks for the info saw below

This is how UWB’s theft protection works:

The chips integrated in the car (for example, on all four doors and the trunk) communicate with each other and in addition with other mini transmitters, for example on the car key. The six chips constantly transmit signals back and forth, “talking” to each other. The exact position of the car owner is determined from the time measured when these signals are sent and received – the so-called “Time-of-Flight”. A previous technique of intercepting the radio signal, for the purpose of vehicle theft, is no longer possible.

With conventional keyless systems, only the signal strength of the key is measured: The larger it is, the closer the user is to their vehicle. This signal could be relayed and used by unauthorized persons.

UWB enables a real centimeter-precise and, above all, tamper-proof positioning control of the user – at any time and at the speed of light. At the same time, this is a real plausibility check that the rightful driver or passenger is approaching the vehicle. The car can also unlock individual doors to suit the position from which the driver approaches the car.

[rawws]

The ID.3 has this: https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/ ... h-uwb-5438

Also, the keys do sleep if they’re not moved.

So to answer your question, yes the ID.3 is more secure regarding keyless entry.

Thanks for the info saw below so in theory no need to disable the key less entry convenience like most cars

This is how UWB’s theft protection works:

The chips integrated in the car (for example, on all four doors and the trunk) communicate with each other and in addition with other mini transmitters, for example on the car key. The six chips constantly transmit signals back and forth, “talking” to each other. The exact position of the car owner is determined from the time measured when these signals are sent and received – the so-called “Time-of-Flight”. A previous technique of intercepting the radio signal, for the purpose of vehicle theft, is no longer possible.

With conventional keyless systems, only the signal strength of the key is measured: The larger it is, the closer the user is to their vehicle. This signal could be relayed and used by unauthorized persons.

UWB enables a real centimeter-precise and, above all, tamper-proof positioning control of the user – at any time and at the speed of light. At the same time, this is a real plausibility check that the rightful driver or passenger is approaching the vehicle. The car can also unlock individual doors to suit the position from which the driver approaches the car.

[Scratch]

Just out of interest, does the keyless entry trigger as you, say, walk past the car but don't want to actually get into the car?

[rawws]

Just out of interest, does the keyless entry trigger as you, say, walk past the car but don't want to actually get into the car?

It triggers when you touch the door handle walking past doesn't activate it.

Most modern cars can be stolen easily by relay theft of keyless entries i was surprised when my neighbours range rover was stolen at night on his driveway in less than 10 seconds, with no break of entry to the car, its as of the car just allowed them to open the door and drove off as if they had key. Was shocked to see the stats on the amount of cars stolen this way past 6 months. How manufactures can get away with this is beyond me massive flaw on keyless technology. I would have thought all keyless cars keys would be recalled for simple fix. Or even advise drivers to switch keyless entry off until solution is found

[Utumno]

Just out of interest, does the keyless entry trigger as you, say, walk past the car but don't want to actually get into the car?

It triggers when you touch the door handle walking past doesn't activate it.

Most modern cars can be stolen easily by relay theft of keyless entries i was surprised when my neighbours range rover was stolen at night on his driveway in less than 10 seconds, with no break of entry to the car, its as of the car just allowed them to open the door and drove off as if they had key. Was shocked to see the stats on the amount of cars stolen this way past 6 months. How manufactures can get away with this is beyond me massive flaw on keyless technology. I would have thought all keyless cars keys would be recalled for simple fix. Or even advise drivers to switch keyless entry off until solution is found

This situation is much reduced in the last two years due to algorithmic improvements and smarter keys, but the UWB tech in the VW is superior again.

If you are concerned about keyless security on the ID.3, you shouldn’t be due to the way UWB works.

[robgarth]

I agree, VW is a superior system although I still keep my keys in Defender Wallets. Peace of mind for about £5 a pair.

[rawws]

Definitely reassuring vw have better secure keyless system

[Scratch]

Just out of interest, does the keyless entry trigger as you, say, walk past the car but don't want to actually get into the car?

It triggers when you touch the door handle walking past doesn't activate it.

Most modern cars can be stolen easily by relay theft of keyless entries i was surprised when my neighbours range rover was stolen at night on his driveway in less than 10 seconds, with no break of entry to the car, its as of the car just allowed them to open the door and drove off as if they had key. Was shocked to see the stats on the amount of cars stolen this way past 6 months. How manufactures can get away with this is beyond me massive flaw on keyless technology. I would have thought all keyless cars keys would be recalled for simple fix. Or even advise drivers to switch keyless entry off until solution is found

OK, thanks. I was just interested. I think our up-coming LIfe doesn't have this.

[Idmania3]

I know the keys go into sleep mode but I keep my keys in a Faraday pouch that stops and signals getting to the keys or out of the pouch as a secondary security measure. These are available on Amazon for just a few pounds

[Bromsgroveuser]

I've got a first edition and I've got it set to open as i walk up to it

[epicwinningmaz]

Just out of interest, does the keyless entry trigger as you, say, walk past the car but don't want to actually get into the car?

It triggers when you touch the door handle walking past doesn't activate it.

Most modern cars can be stolen easily by relay theft of keyless entries i was surprised when my neighbours range rover was stolen at night on his driveway in less than 10 seconds, with no break of entry to the car, its as of the car just allowed them to open the door and drove off as if they had key. Was shocked to see the stats on the amount of cars stolen this way past 6 months. How manufactures can get away with this is beyond me massive flaw on keyless technology. I would have thought all keyless cars keys would be recalled for simple fix. Or even advise drivers to switch keyless entry off until solution is found

This situation is much reduced in the last two years due to algorithmic improvements and smarter keys, but the UWB tech in the VW is superior again.

If you are concerned about keyless security on the ID.3, you shouldn’t be due to the way UWB works.

If it has UWB does that mean it could support Apple's CarKey feature?

[Utumno]

It triggers when you touch the door handle walking past doesn't activate it.

Most modern cars can be stolen easily by relay theft of keyless entries i was surprised when my neighbours range rover was stolen at night on his driveway in less than 10 seconds, with no break of entry to the car, its as of the car just allowed them to open the door and drove off as if they had key. Was shocked to see the stats on the amount of cars stolen this way past 6 months. How manufactures can get away with this is beyond me massive flaw on keyless technology. I would have thought all keyless cars keys would be recalled for simple fix. Or even advise drivers to switch keyless entry off until solution is found

This situation is much reduced in the last two years due to algorithmic improvements and smarter keys, but the UWB tech in the VW is superior again.

If you are concerned about keyless security on the ID.3, you shouldn’t be due to the way UWB works.

If it has UWB does that mean it could support Apple's CarKey feature?

Theoretically, yes, though actual support will very much depend on how VW have implemented their in-vehicle systems and whether the whole implementation can be soft-upgraded to support Apple CarKey.

[Utumno]

I know the keys go into sleep mode but I keep my keys in a Faraday pouch that stops and signals getting to the keys or out of the pouch as a secondary security measure. These are available on Amazon for just a few pounds

UWB is not susceptible to replay or relay attacks unlike conventional "rolling code" keyless systems and uses "time of flight" calculations (among others) between the key and the vehicle to measure how far away the key is from the vehicle as well as end-to-end cryptography on the actual radio connection. The exploits foiled by the faraday pouch approach basically aren't possible in the first place with UWB technology, so a faraday pouch for a UWB ID.3 key is basically a tinfoil hat

Obviously by all means continue using Faraday pouches if it gives you a heightened feeling of security, as it can't hurt, but you should also feel reassured that there's genuine proper digital security engineering in the UWB implementations as well and if you choose to ditch the Faraday pouch you're still state-of-the-art secure.

This is genuinely one of the things that VW got "right" in the ID.3.

[Idmania3]

I know the keys go into sleep mode but I keep my keys in a Faraday pouch that stops and signals getting to the keys or out of the pouch as a secondary security measure. These are available on Amazon for just a few pounds

UWB is not susceptible to replay or relay attacks unlike conventional "rolling code" keyless systems and uses "time of flight" calculations (among others) between the key and the vehicle to measure how far away the key is from the vehicle as well as end-to-end cryptography on the actual radio connection. The exploits foiled by the faraday pouch approach basically aren't possible in the first place with UWB technology, so a faraday pouch for a UWB ID.3 key is basically a tinfoil hat

Obviously by all means continue using Faraday pouches if it gives you a heightened feeling of security, as it can't hurt, but you should also feel reassured that there's genuine proper digital security engineering in the UWB implementations as well and if you choose to ditch the Faraday pouch you're still state-of-the-art secure.

This is genuinely one of the things that VW got "right" in the ID.3.

Thanks I didn't realise this and feel a bit more confident now.