please recommend me a charger

[gailjon]

I would say get a wall charger if you can. Cost of wall charger pretty insignificant compared to cost of car and will be on your wall for a decade at least I would think. much better for using with overnights tariffs as well. We used granny charger for a few weeks while waiting for wall box install and since the wall box was installed it has made life much easier. Granny charger okay for doing what it is designed for - charging while away from home and 'proper' charger.

[van]

Like many others on the factory waiting list I'm in no rush to get a charger fitted. However, there will be an Autumn statement in November (?) and it wouldn't surprise me if the grant is cut or removed. Perhaps I'll not wait after all (8-0)

[bitmanEV]

22Kw AC chargers should be better IMHO

Not much better. ID3 maxes out at 11kWh on AC.

Disagree with that as indeed an ID.3, i3 or M3 (and others) do max 11kW on AC but a 22kW post will charge a single phase vehicle to max 7.4kW or 3.6kW (depending on the onboard AC charger)

16A - 3 phase AC
3 x 3.6kW = 11kW

32A - 3 phase AC
3 x 7.4kW = 22kW

Also a Zoe will charge on the full 22kW AC!

So with a charge post only on 11kW a single phase 7.4 vehicle will only charge at max of the 16A / 3.6kW

[Deleted User 192]

I'd only use a granny charger if I couldn't get a proper home charger it's a stop gap for most. Charging at around 10 miles per hour, more likely to be pulling most of that at full 15-18p per kWh rather than 5p per kWh on Octopus GO.

You start doing 2 or 3 x 4 hour charges at £5 a pop instead of £1.50 a pop (with Octopus Go) and that 7.4kWh charger starts to pay for itself in under a year, as well as being massively more convenient.

Spot on.

[Utumno]

22Kw AC chargers should be better IMHO

Not much better. ID3 maxes out at 11kWh on AC.

Disagree with that as indeed an ID.3, i3 or M3 (and others) do max 11kW on AC but a 22kW post will charge a single phase vehicle to max 7.4kW or 3.6kW (depending on the onboard AC charger)

16A - 3 phase AC
3 x 3.6kW = 11kW

32A - 3 phase AC
3 x 7.4kW = 22kW

Also a Zoe will charge on the full 22kW AC!

So with a charge post only on 11kW a single phase 7.4 vehicle will only charge at max of the 16A / 3.6kW

I may have misunderstood, but all ID.3's have in effect a 3ph/16A inverter and a 1ph/32A inverter, so will happily draw 7kW from a single phase supply and 11kW from a 3 phase supply. 3ph/32A (22kW) is dead as a dodo for every vehicle except the Zoe, and the Zoe is dead as a dodo in 2023 anyway to be replaced by the new R5. Which I would predict will not have 22kW AC charging.

Way I read it is that DC won and only Zoe owners really care because they don't have DC charging capability.

[Deleted User 314]

We've an 11kw/h at home, solar panels and a granny.

During the day we run the granny trickle because it's entirely free.

If we need the distance the following day then we plug in at midnight to charge to 80%. The Elli charger is garbage,, so no timing, the "location" is set to 80%, but deletes usually every other week so we just set max charge to 80%.

Our overnight rate is 7c/kWh, quite the bargain for Spain.

[bitmanEV]

Good luck with the ID.3 on a 11kW AC 3 phase charger... It will only charge at max of 3.6kW (like the ID.3 45kWh); that's my point

Glad my local councillor got it right and install lots of 22kW AC charger all over the borough this guarantees that single phase BEV with max 7.4kW can indeed charge at 7.4kW

anyway enough said

[Deleted User 314]

Good luck with the ID.3 on a 11kW AC 3 phase charger... It will only charge at max of 3.6kW (like the ID.3 45kWh); that's my point

Glad my local councillor got it right and install lots of 22kW AC charger all over the borough this guarantees that single phase BEV with max 7.4kW can indeed charge at 7.4kW

anyway enough said

That is incorrect. We get 11kW on ours, I posted the graphs somewhere demonstrating it.

[Utumno]

Good luck with the ID.3 on a 11kW AC 3 phase charger... It will only charge at max of 3.6kW (like the ID.3 45kWh); that's my point

Glad my local councillor got it right and install lots of 22kW AC charger all over the borough this guarantees that single phase BEV with max 7.4kW can indeed charge at 7.4kW

anyway enough said

The ID.3 has both a 1ph and a 3ph inverter, including the 45kWh version. It will charge on a 3ph/32A (22kW) charger at 11kW and on a 1ph/32A (7.4kW) charger at 7.4kW. Thus you're wrong about the ID.3's 3ph AC charging capabilities.

[Deleted User 314]

Found it:

[bitmanEV]

Yes I was wrong; single phase AC charging is indeed 7.4kW and 3 phase AC charging is 11kW AC on the ID.3

So yes the ID.3 will charge with 11kW max on either an 11kW or 22kW AC 3 phase charge posts

But my discussion was actually about the fact that it's better to have 22kW charge posts then 11kW charge posts
Reason for that is that lots of Asian BEV only have single phase onboard AC chargers and most of them are 7.4kW max they will fall back to 3.6kW when connected to a 11kW 3 phase AC charge post (16A - 3 phase AC / 3 x 3.6kW = 11kW)

BTW A local VW dealer told me that the 45kWh ID.3 had only single phase AC onboard charger hence my confusion and should have checked that my self

[Utumno]

Yes I was wrong; single phase AC charging is indeed 7.4kW and 3 phase AC charging is 11kW AC on the ID.3

So yes the ID.3 will charge with 11kW max on either an 11kW or 22kW AC 3 phase charge posts

But my discussion was actually about the fact that it's better to have 22kW charge posts then 11kW charge posts
Reason for that is that lots of Asian BEV only have single phase onboard AC chargers and most of them are 7.4kW max they will fall back to 3.6kW when connected to a 11kW 3 phase AC charge post (16A - 3 phase AC / 3 x 3.6kW = 11kW)

BTW A local VW dealer told me that the 45kWh ID.3 had only single phase AC onboard charger hence my confusion and should have checked that my self

No worries ! Though there are so few 11kW-only charge posts around that I'm not sure it's that much of an issue. A quick squint at Zap-map shows what must be less than a hundred 11kW AC Mennekes chargers nationwide (number by ready-reckoning/guesswork, I wasn't about to count them individually!).

[beacon39]

I'd only use a granny charger if I couldn't get a proper home charger it's a stop gap for most. Charging at around 10 miles per hour, more likely to be pulling most of that at full 15-18p per kWh rather than 5p per kWh on Octopus GO.

You start doing 2 or 3 x 4 hour charges at £5 a pop instead of £1.50 a pop (with Octopus Go) and that 7.4kWh charger starts to pay for itself in under a year, as well as being massively more convenient.

Spot on.

It ain't necessarily so. Yes, if you just focus on EV charging cost alone there is an apparent saving with the home charger on cheap rates, but you have to take into account the overall cost of electricity (and gas) supply to your home. Admittedly, I'm an above average energy consumer, living as I do in northeast Scotland, but the increase in overall energy costs for Octopus compared to my present provider would exceed the home charger saving (electricity tariff 20p compared to 17p per kWh, gas 4p compared to 3p). I'm not saying a home charger is not the better option, convenience being an important factor, just pointing out that these cheap rate offers from energy companies may not be as good for everyone as they make out. You need to do the sums.

[Utumno]

I'd only use a granny charger if I couldn't get a proper home charger it's a stop gap for most. Charging at around 10 miles per hour, more likely to be pulling most of that at full 15-18p per kWh rather than 5p per kWh on Octopus GO.

You start doing 2 or 3 x 4 hour charges at £5 a pop instead of £1.50 a pop (with Octopus Go) and that 7.4kWh charger starts to pay for itself in under a year, as well as being massively more convenient.

Spot on.

It ain't necessarily so. Yes, if you just focus on EV charging cost alone there is an apparent saving with the home charger on cheap rates, but you have to take into account the overall cost of electricity (and gas) supply to your home. Admittedly, I'm an above average energy consumer, living as I do in northeast Scotland, but the increase in overall energy costs for Octopus compared to my present provider would exceed the home charger saving (electricity tariff 20p compared to 17p per kWh, gas 4p compared to 3p). I'm not saying a home charger is not the better option, convenience being an important factor, just pointing out that these cheap rate offers from energy companies may not be as good for everyone as they make out. You need to do the sums.

Agreed 100% that home charging economics depend massively on your tariff.

However Octopus Go in northern Scotland is 16.92p/kWh except during the 5p/kWh 4 hour period. With Go Faster you can move and/or extend that 4 hour period too.

Seems cheaper than the 17p/kWh your current provider is providing.

What am I missing?

[Waldemar]

VW recommend pod point but I used a Sync EV wall mounted charger with 7.4KWh at home. They were the only charger available at the time that could fit promptly. SyncEV documentation is sparse and poor. If I had a choice again I'd go with pod point, not SyncEV. Problem with SyncEV is that unless you wait up till 11.30pm (I generally retire to sleep before then) you have to set schedule to start immediate charging before 11:30pm , say 9.30-10.30pm, or no charging takes place. It needs a trickle like charge going in from the outset or the car locks out subsequent charging. I found this out by setting the schedule early evening to start late pm and going out in the morning to find no charging had taken place. Wouldnt know if other chargers suffer the same problem. In fairness it whacks in 7+kw for the 1st hour or so, then about 2kw before 11.30pm, then 7kw+ after 11.30pm. That's about an hour at 22p/KWh to begin with. Found this out by trial and error. Also I frequently have to isolate the charger for a minute and re-power it for it to work. SyncEV claim this is an drop in internet signal (not the case for me at all). RFID card doesn't seem to be reliable either. Not ideal.

Eon now do an economy 7 tariff for EVs. 11.30pm to 7.30am at about 11p/KWh. I was one of the 1st to go onto it for EV's.
The ID3 itself is so far without faults after 4 months. Only criticism, no proper hard copy manual and the on-line beta version is a pain and not 100% accurate.

Life Pro Performance
Solihull West Midlands

[MotMot]

Every charger seems to have issues based on looking at forums. Even the much feted Zappi's have problems getting set up... (despite being 250+ more than most other ones). Podpoints break, Wallbox has an old model raspberry pi inside, EOmini's have horrible software etc.. etc.. etc.. Ohme works via a commando socket (I think - though their new one looks nice...)

Its even harder if you don't want a charger the size of a carry on bag bolted to the side of your house..

To me there seems to be no market leader in terms of cost of £500 (+/- £50) inc govt grant - that doesnt look like a mini spaceship bolted to your house, with decent software that doesn't break down, with good customer service (that really you shouldnt need) etc.. I have been asked by a friend to reccomend a brand and I've really struggled. It feels like picking the least worst...

[Utumno]

Every charger seems to have issues based on looking at forums. Even the much feted Zappi's have problems getting set up... (despite being 250+ more than most other ones). Podpoints break, Wallbox has an old model raspberry pi inside, EOmini's have horrible software etc.. etc.. etc.. Ohme works via a commando socket (I think - though their new one looks nice...)

Its even harder if you don't want a charger the size of a carry on bag bolted to the side of your house..

To me there seems to be no market leader in terms of cost of £500 (+/- £50) inc govt grant - that doesnt look like a mini spaceship bolted to your house, with decent software that doesn't break down, with good customer service (that really you shouldnt need) etc.. I have been asked by a friend to reccomend a brand and I've really struggled. It feels like picking the least worst...

Just my $0.02 ... the new Ohme Home Pro might turn out a good model in this price range, but it's very new and thus hard to recommend. The Hypervolt is I think the best current compromise available, but it's a bit over in terms of price.

Agreed it's difficult.

[beacon39]

Spot on.

It ain't necessarily so. Yes, if you just focus on EV charging cost alone there is an apparent saving with the home charger on cheap rates, but you have to take into account the overall cost of electricity (and gas) supply to your home. Admittedly, I'm an above average energy consumer, living as I do in northeast Scotland, but the increase in overall energy costs for Octopus compared to my present provider would exceed the home charger saving (electricity tariff 20p compared to 17p per kWh, gas 4p compared to 3p). I'm not saying a home charger is not the better option, convenience being an important factor, just pointing out that these cheap rate offers from energy companies may not be as good for everyone as they make out. You need to do the sums.

Agreed 100% that home charging economics depend massively on your tariff.

However Octopus Go in northern Scotland is 16.92p/kWh except during the 5p/kWh 4 hour period. With Go Faster you can move and/or extend that 4 hour period too.

Seems cheaper than the 17p/kWh your current provider is providing.

What am I missing?

The cheapest tariff quoted by Octopus for me today is 18.96p/kWh. My figures above were based on quotes in July and were simply for demonstration. I also checked EDF, BG, Shell, Scottish power and others and there was no significant saving for me from their EV tariffs. But hey, the actual tariff is irrelevant to the point I was making but thanks for checking anyway.

[Squimpy]

Helllo, I'm new to ID3s but Have been an EV driver for a couple of years. I have been very happy with my PodPoint tethered charger. Pod Point recently introduced a good home scheduling system via their app. It enables you to make the most of something like the 'Octopus Go' tariff (5p per Kw between 00:30 and 04:30) and only 15p per Kw standard.

[Utumno]

The cheapest tariff quoted by Octopus for me today is 18.96p/kWh. My figures above were based on quotes in July and were simply for demonstration. I also checked EDF, BG, Shell, Scottish power and others and there was no significant saving for me from their EV tariffs. But hey, the actual tariff is irrelevant to the point I was making but thanks for checking anyway.

I've never understood why Octopus don't pitch Go (or Agile) at the point of quotation, but they genuinely don't seem to. And again I agree; home charging is a tariffs game.

For me being able to put ~120 miles in the "tank" for ~£1.50 on Octopus Go each night is a no-brainer for our travel patterns and makes the expense of a charger/install worth it.