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I really wouldn't stress over doing it once.Up the jumper wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 6:24 am A related question: I have a long drive on Friday and will set off about 10am. What would be the real impact if I charged to 100% in the Octopus Go window? Ie have 100% charge from 04.30 to 10.00?
That is outside the Octopus Go window.Up the jumper wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 6:24 am A related question: I have a long drive on Friday and will set off about 10am. What would be the real impact if I charged to 100% in the Octopus Go window? Ie have 100% charge from 04.30 to 10.00?
To play devils advocate here, surely that's going to be part of the risk of buying a used EV in the future - not knowing if the previous owner charged it as "recommended" by the manufacturer? The only difference here is OP has admitted to doing it.
True,but it's a lot easier to check battery health than level of compression, bore wear etc. All new VAG models released since 2013 minimise abuse by limiting output until the engine oil reaches 70C, and there are arguments for driving a car mean during run in (once the oil is warm) to prevent glazed bores - leading to low mpg and high oil consumption. It's a possibility that used EVs will have battery health gradings that'll influence value similarly to mileage e.g. 2x 80k miles ID3s, one has 75% of original capacity because its been taken from 100% to 5% routinely, the other has 90% because its routinely done 80% to 20%.Utumno wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 11:55 pm
And a similar risk as an ICE vehicle that's been flogged within an inch of its life. Everyone will eventually get over themselves about this potential kind of battery degradation in my opinion.
I found, while on holiday this winter, that its simply impractical to follow the advice if you can't charge at your accommodation. The advice is that you can't leave it sat below 40% or above 80% in the winter, which means that you're regularly having to find a rapid charger instead of being able to top up once or twice over the course of a week. I started off with the best intentions, but ended up charging it to 100% when I had the opportunity, even if it was going to be sat over night (or longer) at over 80%, and not worrying if I was going to have to leave it sat over night at under 40%.Daveion wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 8:09 pm A practical range for day to day use doesn't have a bearing on the potential range when you need it.
You can set off at a 100% and run down to a level that suits your charging plans. That's still in the recommendations. You use the appropriate guidance for your specific journey. Just a different concept to an ICE.
Unfortunately the infotainment system won't let you access the battery's state of health, so it isn't exactly trivial for a buyer to check.monkeyhanger wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 8:11 am True,but it's a lot easier to check battery health than level of compression, bore wear etc.
You can get a lot of useful information with a £25 OBD dongle and a free app. This breaks down number of dc/ac charges - and the battery total capacity - though this is more a decent indication rather than a precise measurement. Also gives individual battery voltages - so you can see if there’s a duff pack/cells etc…SteveH wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 6:43 pmUnfortunately the infotainment system won't let you access the battery's state of health, so it isn't exactly trivial for a buyer to check.monkeyhanger wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 8:11 am True,but it's a lot easier to check battery health than level of compression, bore wear etc.
As I said. Day to day practical use. I don't think the occassional deviation from recommended practice is a problem. If it was every day or week maybe there would be a measurable deterioration but still not significant. I don't think 1 or 2 weeks charging as you did was abuse, just not best practice.SteveH wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 6:40 pmI found, while on holiday this winter, that its simply impractical to follow the advice if you can't charge at your accommodation. The advice is that you can't leave it sat below 40% or above 80% in the winter, which means that you're regularly having to find a rapid charger instead of being able to top up once or twice over the course of a week. I started off with the best intentions, but ended up charging it to 100% when I had the opportunity, even if it was going to be sat over night (or longer) at over 80%, and not worrying if I was going to have to leave it sat over night at under 40%.Daveion wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 8:09 pm A practical range for day to day use doesn't have a bearing on the potential range when you need it.
You can set off at a 100% and run down to a level that suits your charging plans. That's still in the recommendations. You use the appropriate guidance for your specific journey. Just a different concept to an ICE.
I'm hoping that giving it this kind of abuse for 1 or 2 weeks a year isn't going to cause significant problems - if it does cause significant degradation then I think the design is not really fit for purpose.
Maybe I shouldn't start this query, but £338.10? For checking cables? What?Mo1 wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 9:27 am Here's VWs advise page https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/en/electri ... ranty.html
Yes, but don't forget that EV servicing is cheaper than ICE servicing as there's no oil to change (VW say this, but given the ridiculous service prices quoted for ID3, not sure how they can justify what should be a £120 service for checking the springs, shocks, pad/disc condition, changing a pollen filter and kicking the tyres. Add £80 if a rest of the brake fluid deems a change necessary.Scratch wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 10:37 amMaybe I shouldn't start this query, but £338.10? For checking cables? What?Mo1 wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 9:27 am Here's VWs advise page https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/en/electri ... ranty.html