EV Wallbox charger, which one?

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Post by Slathe » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:19 pm

My new car is due for early March so dealer has said I should start looking at getting the wall charger installed. They have suggested Pod Point. Do I have to use them to get the grant? I was thinking of getting Solar Panels next year so was thinking of getting a Zappi.

If I do go for Zappi, which one is for the ID3. I live near Birmingham. Not sure if that makes a difference.

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Post by G43FAN » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:31 pm

They're not specific to the car.. It will be a single phase 7.4kW (unless you have 3 phase electrics which is highly unlikely).
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Post by Slathe » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:38 pm

What website did you use to order yours? Do they need to be under cover to protect it from rain?

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Post by Slathe » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:51 pm

Also what access do they need to install a Zappi? Do they just need access to outside meter and fuse box? Would the wires need running from both of these to the wall charger? Or from meter to fuse to wall charger?

Fuse box is in garage which is in a right mess so just thinking of which walls I would need to clear.

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Post by Utumno » Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:10 pm

Slathe wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:51 pm
Also what access do they need to install a Zappi? Do they just need access to outside meter and fuse box? Would the wires need running from both of these to the wall charger? Or from meter to fuse to wall charger?

Fuse box is in garage which is in a right mess so just thinking of which walls I would need to clear.

Regardless of the brand EVSE being installed, a typical install will consist of taking a supply from wherever your electricity meter is and then putting that into a miniature little CU (“consumer unit”) box. This normally all happens inside the meter box. Then a cable is run from the miniature CU to the EVSE.

Various other optional details need sorting (earth spikes, surge detector/protectors, O-PEN devices, CT clamps, Ethernet cables etc) which vary depending on your installation and EVSE selected. Sometimes they’re not needed at all though, it depends.

In general you won’t supply an EVSE through your domestic CU (fuse box) due to the fact most aren’t designed to push 32A for hours on end.

So clear the area where the meter box lives, and ask for a couple of quotes. I used Elecology as installer, who I was happy with, and they do free remote surveys from pictures and free quotes as a result of that survey. They also handle and install many different brands of EVSE, saving you from chasing round multiple suppliers which can be extremely time consuming.
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Post by Utumno » Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:11 pm

Also EVSE’s are all weatherproof. They typically do not need protection from rain.
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Post by Cherry » Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:39 pm

If you do not want to shop around Octopus Energy deals are not as high as others.

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Post by Slathe » Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:51 pm

Thanks for the replies. How is the Zappi connected to your wifi? I’m hoping it’s wireless

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Post by Utumno » Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:11 pm

Sorry I should have been clearer! I don’t have a Zappi.

I suspect these questions are best directed at either myenergy or an installer as they’re pretty specific to your requirement.
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Post by G43FAN » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:29 am

Slathe wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:51 pm
Thanks for the replies. How is the Zappi connected to your wifi? I’m hoping it’s wireless
No the Zappi is connected back to a Hub via ethernet running alongside the power cable.. The Hub is then connected to the router (again by ethernet) (I don't think it's wireless)
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Post by Raxacorico » Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:04 pm

G43FAN wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:29 am
Slathe wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:51 pm
Thanks for the replies. How is the Zappi connected to your wifi? I’m hoping it’s wireless
No the Zappi is connected back to a Hub via ethernet running alongside the power cable.. The Hub is then connected to the router (again by ethernet) (I don't think it's wireless)
In my case the Hub is next to my wi-fi router, connected to the router via ethernet, and the connection to the Zappi, from the Hub is wireless.
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Post by G43FAN » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:18 pm

Raxacorico wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:04 pm
G43FAN wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:29 am
Slathe wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:51 pm
Thanks for the replies. How is the Zappi connected to your wifi? I’m hoping it’s wireless
No the Zappi is connected back to a Hub via ethernet running alongside the power cable.. The Hub is then connected to the router (again by ethernet) (I don't think it's wireless)
In my case the Hub is next to my wi-fi router, connected to the router via ethernet, and the connection to the Zappi, from the Hub is wireless.
Yes, your right, the Hub can connect to the Router via a wireless RF signal.. I was thinking of the Routers wireless, it was just as easy to run a cable in my case.
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Post by Slathe » Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:01 pm

Ok so I will need a Hub and a Zappi. Do I also need a Harvi? And where does that go, in the meter box?

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Post by Raxacorico » Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:04 pm

Slathe wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:01 pm
Ok so I will need a Hub and a Zappi. Do I also need a Harvi? And where does that go, in the meter box?
No, you don't need the Harvi ...
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Post by Utumno » Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:11 pm

Raxacorico wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:04 pm
Slathe wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:01 pm
Ok so I will need a Hub and a Zappi. Do I also need a Harvi? And where does that go, in the meter box?
No, you don't need the Harvi ...

Well, if he needs a CT clamp to manage the amperage being drawn, then a Harvi might be a good idea (as it's basically a wireless, rather than a wired, CT clamp). But it's hard to say as CT clamp requirements are very specific to an installation. We didn't need one, but other folks with more electrical equipment and a lower amperage main fuse did.
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Post by Raxacorico » Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:14 pm

Utumno wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:11 pm
Raxacorico wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:04 pm
Slathe wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:01 pm
Ok so I will need a Hub and a Zappi. Do I also need a Harvi? And where does that go, in the meter box?
No, you don't need the Harvi ...

Well, if he needs a CT clamp to manage the amperage being drawn, then a Harvi might be a good idea (as it's basically a wireless, rather than a wired, CT clamp). But it's hard to say as CT clamp requirements are very specific to an installation. We didn't need one, but other folks with more electrical equipment and a lower amperage main fuse did.
That's right Utumno, we have a CT clamp inside the fusebox.
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Post by Slathe » Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:55 pm

Ok thanks.

I went on the myenergi website and didn’t realise there is a zappi 1 and a zappi 2. On octopus and other sites it does give you the option. What’s the difference? Are they just selling zappi 2’s now?

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Post by G43FAN » Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:50 pm

Raxacorico wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:14 pm
Utumno wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:11 pm
Raxacorico wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:04 pm


No, you don't need the Harvi ...

Well, if he needs a CT clamp to manage the amperage being drawn, then a Harvi might be a good idea (as it's basically a wireless, rather than a wired, CT clamp). But it's hard to say as CT clamp requirements are very specific to an installation. We didn't need one, but other folks with more electrical equipment and a lower amperage main fuse did.
That's right Utumno, we have a CT clamp inside the fusebox.
Oh !!! OK in my defense it was 10/11 months ago it was installed.. That purple cable that goes to the Zappi will be the CT Clamp and yeah.. Hub must be connected on Wireless RF also. I have a Harvi as well but that's connected to the PV array because all that is in the garage. (well not the actual panels but the other gubbins)
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