Volkswagen ID.3 Forum

OB1CCFC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:25 pm A shocking disincentive to moving to greener cars in a critical time period.
The government hardly mentions climate anymore, ministers were literally crying about the need for action a year ago.
Charlatans.

OB1CCFC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:25 pm A shocking disincentive to moving to greener cars in a critical time period.
The government hardly mentions climate anymore, ministers were literally crying about the need for action a year ago.
Charlatans.

gailjon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:35 pm

OB1CCFC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:25 pm A shocking disincentive to moving to greener cars in a critical time period.
The government hardly mentions climate anymore, ministers were literally crying about the need for action a year ago.
Charlatans.

What we need is definitely to give people able to afford above average costing cars some more tax payers money.

With the difficulties we have actually getting the cars I don't think any additional push from the government is needed. Perhaps the money if it goes towards the infrastructure will help with the issues that many people have charging the cars they already have.

Money from the taxpayer? Charlatans!

monkeyhanger wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:41 pm Price is a blocker to get into a £25k+ car for many people who are in tha habit of paying a lot less for a car - someone who normally buys a 6 year old Ford Focus for £9k is not going to buy a £30k car with a £3k effective discount via grant. Unless you want a 10 year old leaf with an effective 70 mile winter range, if you've got £10k to spend on an EV, you're not buying an EV. There's going to be no real choice for them until the likes of our ID3s are 6-8 years old an in their price range too. Meantime, the government hasn't yet worked out how the likes of us, currently paying a fraction of the fuel duty/VAT that we once were, will start paying our way on the roads again.

Given the crazy price of petrol/diesel right now, and the fact that dealers need give no discount to sell an EV in a matter of days, the government knows that for the people that can afford a new EV right now, losing the tiny PICG that was left is not a barrier to their ownership. They're following the same tact as the dealerships right now - why give an incentive to buy something that's selling like hot cakes?

Don't forget also, there's a decent size element that are quite willing to blow ID3 money on a Golf GTI instead, because they don't want an EV, or they don't have access to home charging, so running an EV will be a complete PITA and as expensive as running a diesel car if reliant on public fast chargers.

Its as simple as that

sidehaas wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:52 pm

monkeyhanger wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:41 pm Price is a blocker to get into a £25k+ car for many people who are in tha habit of paying a lot less for a car - someone who normally buys a 6 year old Ford Focus for £9k is not going to buy a £30k car with a £3k effective discount via grant. Unless you want a 10 year old leaf with an effective 70 mile winter range, if you've got £10k to spend on an EV, you're not buying an EV. There's going to be no real choice for them until the likes of our ID3s are 6-8 years old an in their price range too. Meantime, the government hasn't yet worked out how the likes of us, currently paying a fraction of the fuel duty/VAT that we once were, will start paying our way on the roads again.

Given the crazy price of petrol/diesel right now, and the fact that dealers need give no discount to sell an EV in a matter of days, the government knows that for the people that can afford a new EV right now, losing the tiny PICG that was left is not a barrier to their ownership. They're following the same tact as the dealerships right now - why give an incentive to buy something that's selling like hot cakes?

Don't forget also, there's a decent size element that are quite willing to blow ID3 money on a Golf GTI instead, because they don't want an EV, or they don't have access to home charging, so running an EV will be a complete PITA and as expensive as running a diesel car if reliant on public fast chargers.

Its as simple as that

I agree with much of this, but I'd like to see some sort of help retained. Ideally a much larger (£10k+) grant made available only to people meeting a limited set of criteria (based on receiving certain benefits, or who are relatively low earners and need to drive for work. It could be combined with a scrappage scheme.) I accept that would all be difficult to make work fairly/affordably and it's probably anathema to our current government anyway. But we need to get more EVs on the road and we need to get them to people who can't otherwise afford them. We shouldn't really be paying a grant to people who can afford to spend £30k on a car.

monkeyhanger wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:29 pm

sidehaas wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:52 pm

monkeyhanger wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:41 pm Price is a blocker to get into a £25k+ car for many people who are in tha habit of paying a lot less for a car - someone who normally buys a 6 year old Ford Focus for £9k is not going to buy a £30k car with a £3k effective discount via grant. Unless you want a 10 year old leaf with an effective 70 mile winter range, if you've got £10k to spend on an EV, you're not buying an EV. There's going to be no real choice for them until the likes of our ID3s are 6-8 years old an in their price range too. Meantime, the government hasn't yet worked out how the likes of us, currently paying a fraction of the fuel duty/VAT that we once were, will start paying our way on the roads again.

Given the crazy price of petrol/diesel right now, and the fact that dealers need give no discount to sell an EV in a matter of days, the government knows that for the people that can afford a new EV right now, losing the tiny PICG that was left is not a barrier to their ownership. They're following the same tact as the dealerships right now - why give an incentive to buy something that's selling like hot cakes?

Don't forget also, there's a decent size element that are quite willing to blow ID3 money on a Golf GTI instead, because they don't want an EV, or they don't have access to home charging, so running an EV will be a complete PITA and as expensive as running a diesel car if reliant on public fast chargers.

Its as simple as that

I agree with much of this, but I'd like to see some sort of help retained. Ideally a much larger (£10k+) grant made available only to people meeting a limited set of criteria (based on receiving certain benefits, or who are relatively low earners and need to drive for work. It could be combined with a scrappage scheme.) I accept that would all be difficult to make work fairly/affordably and it's probably anathema to our current government anyway. But we need to get more EVs on the road and we need to get them to people who can't otherwise afford them. We shouldn't really be paying a grant to people who can afford to spend £30k on a car.

Great in principle, but how do you stop those people taking advantage of a £10k grant and flipping the car for potentially £10k in their back pocket at a time when 1 year old cars are fetching around RRP? Subsidised rental would be able to mitigate that risk.

sidehaas wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:18 am https://www.speakev.com/threads/picg-to-end.170130/

According to people on here it's only for new orders so existing orders should be ok.