Car moves off without pressing accelerator!
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I’ve noticed the same thing with my hybrid. In B mode, the car tends to creep forward a little once you let go of the brake, even without pressing the gas. It’s pretty much a feature to help with regenerative braking, so it slows down the car automatically. It took me a bit to get used to it, but now I kind of like it for city driving where I’m constantly stopping and starting. It’s definitely something to keep in mind when getting in and out of the car.
The salient point here isn't that the car's creep function, which is understood - but the opening of the door being linked to unintended acceleration.
Just a couple of days ago, my wife moved the car about ten feet forward outside the house, at the main-road end of a cul-de-sac. She braked to a full stop, attempted to get out the car, and with the door open and R foot on the tarmac, the car accelerated. Thrown off balance trying to get back in, she hit the accelerator rather than the brake, the car shot forward and t-boned a 4x4 on the main road. Both vehicles totalled, she was thrown out the car with the impact (door open, remember) - miraculously with only a minor bump to the head but badly shaken,
Something similar happened to me months ago - reversing slowly to a public charger, I stopped dead, feet off the pedals, opened the door for a look behind, and the car started moving backwards - needed a hard stamp on the brake to stop it.
Does anyone know if VW have ever been made aware of this?
Just a couple of days ago, my wife moved the car about ten feet forward outside the house, at the main-road end of a cul-de-sac. She braked to a full stop, attempted to get out the car, and with the door open and R foot on the tarmac, the car accelerated. Thrown off balance trying to get back in, she hit the accelerator rather than the brake, the car shot forward and t-boned a 4x4 on the main road. Both vehicles totalled, she was thrown out the car with the impact (door open, remember) - miraculously with only a minor bump to the head but badly shaken,
Something similar happened to me months ago - reversing slowly to a public charger, I stopped dead, feet off the pedals, opened the door for a look behind, and the car started moving backwards - needed a hard stamp on the brake to stop it.
Does anyone know if VW have ever been made aware of this?
If that's actually what happened, it must be a specific fault with your car. You need to get it checked over.oldgoat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 11:04 am The salient point here isn't that the car's creep function, which is understood - but the opening of the door being linked to unintended acceleration.
Just a couple of days ago, my wife moved the car about ten feet forward outside the house, at the main-road end of a cul-de-sac. She braked to a full stop, attempted to get out the car, and with the door open and R foot on the tarmac, the car accelerated. Thrown off balance trying to get back in, she hit the accelerator rather than the brake, the car shot forward and t-boned a 4x4 on the main road. Both vehicles totalled, she was thrown out the car with the impact (door open, remember) - miraculously with only a minor bump to the head but badly shaken,
Something similar happened to me months ago - reversing slowly to a public charger, I stopped dead, feet off the pedals, opened the door for a look behind, and the car started moving backwards - needed a hard stamp on the brake to stop it.
Does anyone know if VW have ever been made aware of this?
It's possible to brake to a stop without engaging autohold if you press the brake lightly, and if you take your foot off the brake without pressing P the car will then move forward again, creeping. However if you open the driver's door it should always immediately turn off, same as if you have pressed P (for what it's worth I find this quite annoying because it prevents me from opening the door to check my distance when manoeuvring).
ID.3 Family Pro Performance (Jan 22). Also an ID.4 Max. Ohme Home Pro charger.
I agree about automatics creeping. But it shouldn't be related to the door being open. If anything the door being open should prevent the car from moving at all. And auto hold didn't work either. My car's due for service shortly. I'll talk to them and find out if there's a software update that would fix it. It's dangerous if the driver isn't expecting it to happen - as oldgoat's wife sadly found out to her cost. Hope she's recovered.
Auto hold didn't work. Stamp on the brake, release it and the car moves off again.
I contacted VW who said get it checked over by a dealer. I hadn't explained to them the car was written off and is no longer with us - but out of curiosity, what sort of diagnostics would the car hold for something like this? Pardon my ignorance here, but is there some sort of event log, like an aircraft black box? Would be particularly interested if there's any record of the collision avoidance / emergency braking thing, which apparently never kicked in at all.
Perhaps so, but the act of opening a door as a command input for a car to accelerate, is certainly controversial.
I agree with oldgoat. In my case I was getting into the car, then started a conversation with a colleague via the open door. Tried to turn off the radio to make the conversation easier. It didn't work so thought I'd 'turn the car on' by selecting B. The car started to move as soon as I took my foot off the brake, came close to the open door hitting my colleague. Jumped on the brake. Auto hold didn't work, so nearly hit him again! That's controversial.
I move my car when washing/vacuuming it in my yard with the doors open, just be releasing the brake.
It's a normal function of every car.
To clarify if you drive normally, stop and open the door car goes automatically into parking mode I believe.
If you have the door open and start the car you will get a quick warning on the dash (something like rolling protection will be disabled, can't remember the wording exactly) and the car will move upon releasing the brake).
My ID.3 (and thus I assume every other ID.3) functions normally, there is nothing to notify VW about.
Regarding the OP I wasn't there and especially as his wife was injured during the process I cannot comment on what happened.
We do see this in the news (toyota throttle stuck/runaway tesla/impregnated by aliens/etc.) most cases are simply driver error although hardware/software faults cannot be entirely dismissed and often lead to recalls/etc.
If anyone is so inclined this is very easy to test and would be interesting to know your results.