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Scratch
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Had another test drive today. Now don’t know what to do. Fantastic car to drive. Discussed availability but like everyone else, not much to choose from. Wife wanted a certain colour. They found one for September delivery but it’s got extras I originally wasn’t looking at and has taken the price up by 3K more than I had bargained for. We can afford it but it’s a lot money for a first foray into EV cars. HELP! They also gave me a very good trade in for my exiting ICE car.

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What help are you looking for?
What are the extras?
Brand new EVs come at a price, only you can decide if it’s worth it…
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scott28tt wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:09 am What help are you looking for?
What are the extras?
Brand new EVs come at a price, only you can decide if it’s worth it…
Maybe I'm trying to get someone to convince me?
Extras:
Heat pump
2-3 pin charging cable (not sure why this is included. It's not actually fitted to the car is it?)
Metallic paint
18 inch alloys

Your last point - yes, I know!
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I wouldn't pay for a 3pin granny charger as a compulsory extra vecause it's simply an accessory you purchase separately.

Metallic paint? Unless you were set to pick Moonstone Grey, I wouldn't consider it zn extra. Alloy wheels? Many people do, I made sure both our ID3s had East Derry wheels, did not want steel wheels. Heat pump? I wouldn't in amillion years option this freely, but if you're prepared to pay for an option you don't want, to jump the queue then fair enough. I've done that before.
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Post by colonelpurple »

The 3pin granny charger can be quite useful. Its actually not bad and can add 50% over night. I am still using mine whilst I wait for my delayed Zappi implementation.
I wouldnt buy with the car, as I dont want it as part of my finance deal. Actually my garage has all accessories on order due to demand, so I ended up getting a granny cable from Amazon

I wouldnt dismiss the heat pump. The science is sound and so is VW's implementation. It saves 10% in a cold winter, and that is worth it on its own IMHO. Further software updates will make it more efficient. Note that the tests I have read give the ID3 58kw battery anywhere between 211 and 230 in summer, using AC and other facilities. In near zero winter it seems to drop to around 170-180, conservation can be had by keeping heating on low setting and using the seat and steering wheel heating. 10% is approx. 20 miles ....

The Derry's look amazing (so do the Andoyas). Everyone comments on how cool the car looks. I think the ID3 is selling the concept of EV to lots of skepticals ...
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colonelpurple wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:16 am The 3pin granny charger can be quite useful. Its actually not bad and can add 50% over night. I am still using mine whilst I wait for my delayed Zappi implementation.
I wouldnt buy with the car, as I dont want it as part of my finance deal. Actually my garage has all accessories on order due to demand, so I ended up getting a granny cable from Amazon

I wouldnt dismiss the heat pump. The science is sound and so is VW's implementation. It saves 10% in a cold winter, and that is worth it on its own IMHO. Further software updates will make it more efficient. Note that the tests I have read give the ID3 58kw battery anywhere between 211 and 230 in summer, using AC and other facilities. In near zero winter it seems to drop to around 170-180, conservation can be had by keeping heating on low setting and using the seat and steering wheel heating. 10% is approx. 20 miles ....

The Derry's look amazing (so do the Andoyas). Everyone comments on how cool the car looks. I think the ID3 is selling the concept of EV to lots of skepticals ...
But didn't I read somewhere that VW are refunding some heat pump buyers in Germany, due to it not functioning as required? Why make refunds, or partial refunds, if it can be fixed with a software update?
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Refunds are on the basis that the benefits of the heat pump were oversold. The colder the winter, the bigger the benefit. Someone up in North Norway is going to benefit far more from one than someone from England with relatively mild Winters. If it benefits us in the middle of Winter to the tune of 3% more range, I'd be amazed.

I did long motorway journeys back from supplying dealers for our 2 ID3s (240 miles and 275 miles), and before I bottled out and charged at about 190 miles in, indications were that I was heading for 220 miles on a full charge at motorway speeds, with aircon on - that's without a heat pump.

I certainly wouldn't pay £1200 for a range increase of 3%.
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How are they getting the extras to £3k, is it definitely 18" rims?

Those extras are £1854 plus the wheels. The heat pump cost has been reduced to £1000

18" East Derry £650
19" Andoya £1195 - It would have to be the Andoyas?
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G43FAN wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:42 am How are they getting the extras to £3k, is it definitely 18" rims?

Those extras are £1854 plus the wheels. The heat pump cost has been reduced to £1000

18" East Derry £650
19" Andoya £1195 - It would have to be the Andoyas?
"How are they getting the extras to £3k" - I think the answer to that is that they are car dealers.

The ID3 I was originally looking at was basic. Pro version not Pro Performance, steel wheels, basic colour not metallic. The car they found to be "available" had those extras plus it was a Pro Performance.
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Scratch wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:48 am
G43FAN wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:42 am How are they getting the extras to £3k, is it definitely 18" rims?

Those extras are £1854 plus the wheels. The heat pump cost has been reduced to £1000

18" East Derry £650
19" Andoya £1195 - It would have to be the Andoyas?
"How are they getting the extras to £3k" - I think the answer to that is that they are car dealers.

The ID3 I was originally looking at was basic. Pro version not Pro Performance, steel wheels, basic colour not metallic. The car they found to be "available" had those extras plus it was a Pro Performance.
Ha Ha a 'completely' different car then... nearly 4k different then.
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How close are they to drivethedeal prices with your specified extras? Are they robbing Peter to pay Paul by offering almost no discount on the new car but a good deal on the p/x? Have you priced your p/x up on Motorway.co.uk? All newish cars have shot up in price lately (demand exceeding supply), so that p/x might not be so great.

If that car will be ready in Sept then should be eligible for full VW 2020 £1000 discount.

With that in mind, you should be at least £2750 less than list after the £2500 grant has been accounted for, without discounting at all.
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Scratch wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:17 am Heat pump
2-3 pin charging cable (not sure why this is included. It's not actually fitted to the car is it?)
Metallic paint
18 inch alloys

Heat pump is not worth it unless you MUST have the maximum time/distance between charging sessions.

Granny charger is an accessory regardless of the spec, the Type 2 cable is included regardless of the spec.

Moonstone Grey is the only non-metallic (and therefore no extra cost) option.

I really dislike the look of the standard steel wheel trims. I have alloys, but then they were standard on my 1st Edition. I would either want alloys or to get some better wheel trims!
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Post by stevefletcher1978 »

Have you tried the ID.3 Facebook group? They have lots of dealers who might have what you want in stock? I was quoted 20 week wait time and no discount by my local dealer, went on the FB group and found exactly what I wanted, delivered 5 days later, 6k off new price.
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stevefletcher1978 wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:34 am Have you tried the ID.3 Facebook group? They have lots of dealers who might have what you want in stock? I was quoted 20 week wait time and no discount by my local dealer, went on the FB group and found exactly what I wanted, delivered 5 days later, 6k off new price.
Might have to miss out on that. I wouldn't go near Facebook with your bargepole.
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Scratch wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:28 am
But didn't I read somewhere that VW are refunding some heat pump buyers in Germany, due to it not functioning as required? Why make refunds, or partial refunds, if it can be fixed with a software update?
They are refunding buyers in Germany over the original claims of 30% efficiency, when it now shows it is 10% or more

The UK accessory price for the heat pump reduced this month to take account of this, from £1,260 to £1,000

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colonelpurple wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:33 am
Scratch wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:28 am
But didn't I read somewhere that VW are refunding some heat pump buyers in Germany, due to it not functioning as required? Why make refunds, or partial refunds, if it can be fixed with a software update?
They are refunding buyers in Germany over the original claims of 30% efficiency, when it now shows it is 10% or more

The UK accessory price for the heat pump reduced this month to take account of this, from £1,260 to £1,000

rgds
The heat pump only helps heat the cabin, replacing an electrical heater to heat the cabin. Most of the medium and large cars (Golf/A3, Passat/A4 and up) have a 3kW heater. I doubt after a few initial minutes at full blast on a sub zero day you'd be using more than 1kW to maintain a reasonable temperature. VW literature claims that the heat pump saves 40% vs electrical heating.

So on a motorway journey giving 3.7 miles per kWh doing 70mph, you'd be using 18.9kWh driving, with no heating or aircon in the Summer, giving a realistic range of 215 miles.

In the Winter, it's more like 3 miles per kWh doing the same, resulting in 174 mile range. Let's assume that includes use of the heater for 2.5 hours at 70mph to a flat battery and 2.5 kW total used in heating over 2.5 hours , but the heat pump would've used 1.8kWh (40% saving), that would allow you to go an extra 4.3 miles (0.7kwh/3 miles per kWh. 174 miles to 178.3 miles with a heat pump gives about a 2.5% gain on range if my maths is correct.

Worth it? Not IMO.
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Post by MotMot »

Its equivalent to spending an extra 3-5 min on a rapid charger…?

But I like the idea of a heat pump - so would have had one of available - but O wasn’t that fussed enough to wait 16 weeks instead of 3 - and the (then) extra £1250

Personally moonstone grey is the colour I’d have chosen anyway - and I don’t mind the steel wheels (no scuffing or corrosion worries with those laser cut alloys!). But each to their own!

I think the advice for looking on the FB group is great - try and find a more suitable deal…
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