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van staar
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Post by van staar »

Hi everyone!

I’m Marc and I’m looking at buying a second hand ID3 (77kwh version), it will be probably the first edition, as I’m checking 21 or 71 plates. I’m currently driving a long range MG5, and even though we are quite happy with it, we would like to get a bit more range – MG is 61kwh at the moment and we get anywhere between 160 and 230 miles. I was looking at approved used from VW, just for an extra peace of mind. I was wondering if you could assist answering few questions (if anyone is curious about MG5, we had if for 2,5 years and I’m happy to answer any questions too.)

1. What is the warranty on the HV battery with VW, is it as I’m reading 8 years/100,000 miles?
2. Are there any common issues with this models? VW recalls etc.
3. What kind of battery degradation people get after 2-3 years of use?
4. Anything else I should be aware of before buying?

Many thanks everyone!

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Post by duncsand »

OK, my answers:
1) Yes, 8 years / 100k
2) The main issue has been software on earlier models - make sure anything you buy has been upgraded to 3.2, which I find to be pretty reliable. As part of the 3.2 upgrade there's a check on the HV battery and some cars have had to get some battery modules replaced. I'm not sure if that applies to 77kwh models or not but if the car's running 3.2 and no outstanding actions logged with VW it's probably good.
3) I've not seen any numbers reported, but it's not typically an issue. The id.3 has a battery management system that heats/cools the battery so it doesn't suffer from the kind of degradation that earlier EVs did. The car doesn't report degradation so it's not immediately obvious how you could get that information.
4) Make sure it's running 3.2 or above! 3.2 resolved a lot of glitches that people complained about on earlier versions. The 3.2 upgrade is installed by dealers, so there's no excuse if you're buying from a main dealer - I personally wouldn't accept a car until/unless it was running 3.2.

I have a 58kwh model myself and have been extremely happy with it - zero issues other than going to the dealer to get 3.2 installed which was really a very minor inconvenience.
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Post by sidehaas »

For what it's worth, I thought software 3.0 was very good too, no issues. However if you buy a car with 3.0 you'll still have to go through the rigmarole of the dealer 3.2 update, so best get one already on 3.2 as duncsand says.

Only other thing to say, if you get a 77kwh model in the UK, they are all 'Tour'spec. There were no 77kwh 1st editions. Tours were available in 2021 though. In fact all specs were available from 70 reg I think.
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van staar
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Post by van staar »

duncsand wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:39 pm OK, my answers:
1) Yes, 8 years / 100k
2) The main issue has been software on earlier models - make sure anything you buy has been upgraded to 3.2, which I find to be pretty reliable. As part of the 3.2 upgrade there's a check on the HV battery and some cars have had to get some battery modules replaced. I'm not sure if that applies to 77kwh models or not but if the car's running 3.2 and no outstanding actions logged with VW it's probably good.
3) I've not seen any numbers reported, but it's not typically an issue. The id.3 has a battery management system that heats/cools the battery so it doesn't suffer from the kind of degradation that earlier EVs did. The car doesn't report degradation so it's not immediately obvious how you could get that information.
4) Make sure it's running 3.2 or above! 3.2 resolved a lot of glitches that people complained about on earlier versions. The 3.2 upgrade is installed by dealers, so there's no excuse if you're buying from a main dealer - I personally wouldn't accept a car until/unless it was running 3.2.

I have a 58kwh model myself and have been extremely happy with it - zero issues other than going to the dealer to get 3.2 installed which was really a very minor inconvenience.
Thank you very much for all your help, that pretty much answers all the question i had (and in depth too!)
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Post by van staar »

sidehaas wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 7:30 am For what it's worth, I thought software 3.0 was very good too, no issues. However if you buy a car with 3.0 you'll still have to go through the rigmarole of the dealer 3.2 update, so best get one already on 3.2 as duncsand says.

Only other thing to say, if you get a 77kwh model in the UK, they are all 'Tour'spec. There were no 77kwh 1st editions. Tours were available in 2021 though. In fact all specs were available from 70 reg I think.
Thanks!
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Post by duncsand »

sidehaas wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 7:30 am For what it's worth, I thought software 3.0 was very good too, no issues. However if you buy a car with 3.0 you'll still have to go through the rigmarole of the dealer 3.2 update, so best get one already on 3.2 as duncsand says.

Only other thing to say, if you get a 77kwh model in the UK, they are all 'Tour'spec. There were no 77kwh 1st editions. Tours were available in 2021 though. In fact all specs were available from 70 reg I think.
Yes, 3.0 was fine - my car was delivered with it and 3.2 upgrade hardly changed anything. I would insist a VW dealer does the 3.2 upgrade before I accepted a car just so that I don't have to go back again. Also, that it's had the 3.2 upgrade means the HV battery has been checked. The software itself is hardly any different from 3.0. It does give you plug-and-charge, which is convenient (having said that, I've not actually used it yet).
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van staar
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Post by van staar »

Thanks again for all your help. I've got one more question if I may, is heat pump worth at all? Since UK never really gets that cold is it worth to pay extra for HP? Thanks!
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Post by sidehaas »

If you pay £1000 for the heat pump, you will never make your money back from it in the UK. The savings are not that big (according to concensus, I don't have one myself). However it will improve your range slightly in winter so if you are keen to do winter journeys in the range 150-180 miles without stopping on a regular basis, then it may be worth getting to give you a bit more margin.
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Post by van staar »

sidehaas wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 11:32 am If you pay £1000 for the heat pump, you will never make your money back from it in the UK. The savings are not that big (according to concensus, I don't have one myself). However it will improve your range slightly in winter so if you are keen to do winter journeys in the range 150-180 miles without stopping on a regular basis, then it may be worth getting to give you a bit more margin.
Thank you very much, it definitely won't be a deal breaker, but i suppose if it comes with it then it's a "plus".
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Post by van staar »

I was looking at this, but it is now sold.

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Bad luck. But keep your eye out and I'm sure another will turn up, there are lots around now.
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van staar
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Yeah, I'm not in super-rush, so I'm sure I'll find something eventually. This seemed quite good though, especially the low mileage...
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Post by van staar »

hi everyone,

I've been looking at some 2-nd hand ID3, mostly 21and 71 plates, with mileages between 7000 and 25000 miles, and they all seem to have SOH of 90-92%, is that normal? My MG5 with 50000 miles shows SOH of 95%. How would such SOH affect the range, am I still loking at give or take 280 miles per charge? Thanks!
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Post by ThomTom »

Hello, before getting my iD3 2021 I har the dealer make a batteri test, the car had 62000 km on the screen and it had 89% batteri left.
I don´t drive so fast and in summer I get almost 400 km from a 58 kW batteri.
I think you should do a batteri test before you buy, then you can see the degration and how many times it been DC loaded. (DC loading is not so good for the batteri)
Good Luck, I´m very happy with my iD3
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Post by van staar »

Thanks ThomTom. Did you get your ID3 from new? Did you notice any range drop after losing 11% of capacity? Close to 400km (250miles) is a very good result, the maximum i got from my 60kw MG5 is around 230 miles, but then again I do 90% of my driving on motorways...
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Post by van staar »

So I've been approaching quite a few VW dealerships in regards to ID3 they in stock, and I'm quite surprised how unwilling the dealers are to disclose State of Health (SOH) of the battery. I would say maybe 30% don't have a problem giving the actual figure, most of them are replying with "All updates done on Battery" or similar. That tells me that the degradation of the batteries might be concerning issue here. I'm definitely not spending 25k without knowing what the condition of the battery is.
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Post by sidehaas »

van staar wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 9:35 am So I've been approaching quite a few VW dealerships in regards to ID3 they in stock, and I'm quite surprised how unwilling the dealers are to disclose State of Health (SOH) of the battery. I would say maybe 30% don't have a problem giving the actual figure, most of them are replying with "All updates done on Battery" or similar. That tells me that the degradation of the batteries might be concerning issue here. I'm definitely not spending 25k without knowing what the condition of the battery is.
Are you in the UK?
Any approved used VW is now supposed to come with a battery health certificate. I had no problem getting this recently when looking at ID4s. However the test they do for all cars is a 'quicktest' with a big error band on it. If you are unsure about a car it's worth asking them to do the more accurate test, which they guarantee for 30 days to+/-1%. They are only able to do this test by manually driving the car down to below 10% (BMS) and charging back up to 100% while doing the test, so clearly you need to be serious about the purchase and they need to be keen for the sale. I had it done for the ID4 I bought and it took them three days. The result was 5% better than the quick test result, and in this case it got them the sale.
I think it'll be longer before most independent garages have the means to do this. You can get an idea by plugging in an OBD device on a test drive if you have the opportunity.
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van staar
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Post by van staar »

Thanks sidehaas. Yes, I'm in the UK. Wow, 5% is a big difference! Quite a few cars i was looking at had SOH of 90-91%, and i decided against the purchase - 95% i would be perfectly happy with!
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Post by sidehaas »

van staar wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 10:09 am Thanks sidehaas. Yes, I'm in the UK. Wow, 5% is a big difference! Quite a few cars i was looking at had SOH of 90-91%, and i decided against the purchase - 95% i would be perfectly happy with!
Yes, mine originally came out at 88%, and the more accurate test at 93%. In actual use using OBD data it actually seems close to 95% of what I think a new car has, so I'm very happy with it. (Has done 30000 miles). I'd be interested to get our ID3 tested in the same way but don't know the full procedure.
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Post by van staar »

That's the dealer response below, i asked 3(!) times what SOH was!

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